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Dystopian and anachronistic map of Nazi New Order.

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“The day after he visited the archaeological museum in Madrid, studied intently a map of the barbarian invasions, and asked the director of the director of the museum to provide him with a copy of some of the exhibits. That evening Himmler spoke at a meeting of the Madrid branch of the German NSDAP, in which he gave the audience some of his impressions of his recent trip. He was quoted by the Völkischer Beobachter as saying: 'One can still see in the Germanic physiognomies of the northern Spanish traces of the German blood that over the centuries has been lost to the Reich.”
(Heinrich Himmler: A Life, by Peter Longerich)

SS-Staat Burgund:
État Français:…

“Soon afterward Hitler ordered his Ministry of the Interior to draw up plans for a new boundary with France that should incorporate into Germany those territories in northern and eastern France which for historical, political, ethnic, geographic, stategic, and any other reasons appeared to belong to Central rather than to Western Europe. The line drawn up in response to these orders corresponded approximately to the western boundary of the Holy Roman Empire at the time of Charles V, except that it did not run so far south but stopped at the old Duchy of Savoy. This line was approved by Hitler in general, but he wanted the area included in Germany to be extended, especially along the Channel coast. The final boundary, approved by Hitler in full, ran from the mouth of the Somme river eastward along the northern ridge of the Paris basin and Champagne to the Argonne. It then turned south through Burgundy along the western boundary of the Franche-Comté to the lake of Geneva.
Later Hitler decided it would be necessary to claim even more territory. “If we are to ensure our hegemony on the continent, we must also retain military strong points on what was formerly the French Atlantic coast. Further, we must not forget that a large portion of German history took place in the old kingdom of Burgundy, and that this land is therefore age-old German soil, which the French stole from us in times of our weakness.” When a German workman on the Atlantic fortifications expresses regret that Germany should give up these strongholds after investing so much work in them, Hitler saw a wealth of wisdom in his remark. “I need hardly say that nothing on earth would persuade us to abandon such safe positions as those on the Channel coast, captured during the campaign in France and consolidated by the Organisation Todt.””
“Of the territory under the administration of the German military government in France, Hitler left no doubt about his intentions with respect to the provinces of Alsace and Lorraine. At the very beginning of the German occupation he had given orders that these provinces were to be restored to Germany in the shortest possible time, and by 1942 all preparations had been made to their future incorporation into the Reich. Equally clear was Hitler’s intention to annex the area of the so-called Closed Zone, that broad strip of border territory from the mouth of the Somme to the lake of Geneva. For stategic purposes he also proposed to retain control over fortifications along the Atlantic coast. There was some talk among Nazi leaders about detaching Brittany from France and making it an indipendent state, but Hitler himself seems to have taken little interest in this project.”
“Further, as he told his associates in April 1942, Germany had legitimate claims to the former kingdom of Burgundy, which had been German territory from time immemorial and which the French had stolen in the period of Germany’s weakness.”
(Hitler’s War Aims, the establishment of the New Order, Norman Rich)

“We talk about the resettlement of the South Tyroleans. The Fuhrer has Burgundy in mind for them. He is already dividing up the French provinces. He hurries ahead, far in advance of developments. Like every genius. In declaring war, France has committed the greatest mistake in her history. This will soon become clear.”
"However when the war ends, France will have to pay dearly, for she caused and started it. She is now being thrown back to her borders of A.D. 1500. This means that Burgundy will again become part of the Reich. We shall thereby win a province that so far as beauty and wealth are concerned compares more than favorably with any other German province."
"If the French knew what the Fuehrer is one day going to demand of them their eyes would in all likelihood brim over. It is good for the present not to say anything about this and to try to get out of French attentism as much as we can."
„When one has made a start, then it is necessary to settle the open questions. He has in mind the total liquidation of the Peace of Westphalia, which was concluded in Munster and wich he wishes to do away with in Munster. This would be our great goal. Once it is accomplished, then we can close our eyes and rest.“
(The Goebbels Diaries)

“German ideas on the future of France had fluctuated sharply in the course of the summer of 1940. Initially, they had contemplated large-scale annexation, as is clear from the following official and confidential briefing to the German press by the Propaganda Ministry, dated 12 July 1940:
The new order for Europe is to be quite consciously placed under Germany's sole auspices. It was already clear from the directives of the Propaganda Ministry that in future France would only play a role as a small Atlantic state. One must envisage this quite concretely: apart from Italy's territorial demands on France, our demands too will be very large. The Fuhrer has not yet said the final word and one is dependent on guessing as to the size of the German damns which will be contained in the peace treaty with France. It seems certain, however, that, apart from Alsace-Lorraine, we will also add the main parts of Burgundy, with the Plateau of Langres and Dijon as the capital, to the territory of the Reich. People are already beginning to talk of a 'Reichsgau Burgundy'. Also the Channel ports such as Dunkirk, Bologne [sic!] etc. will at least become German naval bases if not Reich territory as such . . .
As far as France is concerned, the maxim will be: the destruction of the Peace of Westphalia. Some people are even talking of a revocation of the partition agreed in the Treaty of Verdun in 843. For this reason, everything which serves to encourage an economic, political, or economic revival of France will be destroyed. We have no faith in any attempts at renewal in an authoritarian direction in France. We consider that all these attempts are simply camouflage and that the ideas of 1789 will soon show through again together with a revived chauvinism. For this reason, we shall have to draw certain sober conclusions which will indeed be drawn. The peace treaty will eliminate France not only as a great power but as a state with any political influence in Europe. As far as the colonial issue is concerned, things are not yet clear.”
(Nazism 1919-1945: Volume 3 Foreign Policy, War and Racial Extermination, A Documentary Reader, J. Noakes and G. Pridham)

“Just as the evidence for Frankish settlement in Flanders was used in plans for redrawing the boundaries of the Reich, so too Burgundian settlement was noted in discussions about the boundaries further south. Already in 1940, following the defeat of France, Hitler had thought of including Nord-Pas-de-Calais, most of Picardy and Champagne-Ardenne, together with Lorraine, Doubs, the Langres plateau, and Jura within the Reich, while the Netherlands, Flanders, Wallonia, Lorraine, and Burgundy were included within a new buffer zone that year. Goebbels in his Tagebuch (diary) talked of the return of Burgundy to the Reichgebiet. In 1942 Hitler and Speer both spoke of incorporating Burgundy within the Reich. This was also the moment at which the Fuhrer was considering the relevance of Petri's work for the frontier in Belgium. The plans drawn up for the regions of Alsace-Lorraine and Burgundy certainly looked back to the medieval past, in part to the past of the frontiers within the Carolingian Empire, as drawn up in 843, but also to the Germanic past of the Burgundian kingdom, as illustrated by the cemetery archaeology. Even more than the Franks, the Burgundians, with their supposed origins on the Baltic island of Bornholm/Burgundaholm, could be depicted as northern heroes—indeed, as heroes of the Nibelungenlied.”
“One wartime work on the Visigoths, Hermann Eicke's Geschichte der westgotischen Konige seit Alarichs Tbd, shows clearly how Visigothic Spain could be viewed through the same nationalist lens as that used to study the Franks, Lombards, and Ostrogoths.”
(The Modern Origins of the Early Middle Ages, by Ian Wood)

«Goebbels, jamais las de tailler des croupières à Ribbentrop, son collègue des Affaires étrangères, transforme en « fuites » sur le futur traité de paix les propos à bâtons rompus que Hitler développe la nuit venue: Deux “terres d’Empire seront créées; l’une, la Bourgogne, avec le plateau de Langres, aura Dijon pour capitale; l’autre comprendra Reims, la Champagne et le territoires industriels du Nord. Dunkerque et Boulogne seront sans doute annexés…”
(L'express international, Edizioni 2034-2046)

Die territorialen Forderungen an Frankreich wurden dabei wie folgt umschreiben: “Es scheint jedoch schon sicher zu sein, daß wir neben Elsaß-Lothringen auch die wesentlichsten Teile von Burgund mit dem Plateau von Langres und Dijon als Hauptstadt zum Reichsgebiet schlagen werden. Man spricht hier und dort schon einem ‚Reichsgau Burgund’. Auch die Kanalhäfen wie Dünkirchen Boulogne usw. werden zum mindesten deutsche Marinestützpunkte, wenn nicht überhaupt Reichsgebiet." In der Ergänzung des Berichts vom 15. Juli wurde hinzugefügt, daß „das Reich in seinen neuen Grenzen immer noch völkisch bestimmt sein solle", das heißt, aus den ost- und nordfranzösischen Gebieten, die zum Reich geschlagen werden würden, „müßten die Wallonen und Franzosen umgesiedelt werden“. Am 5. August 1940 wurde das Propagandaministerium in einem neuen Informationsbericht noch anspruchsvoller, indem es neben Elsaß-Lothringen und Burgund „auch die ganze Champagne mit Reims und einem erheblichen Teil des nordfranzösischen Industriegebietes mit den Kanalhäfen" forderte. Einschränkende fügte es allerdings hinzu, daß es „sich hierbei noch nicht um die endgültige Festlegung der Friedensbedingungen, sondern nur um die große Linie handele, in der die politische Abrechnung mit Frankreich erfolgen werde“.
(Entstehung und Grundlagen des Waffenstillstandes von 1940, by Hermann Böhme)

“Mordrel and Debauvais, who had fled to Germany, decided to make advances to the Nazi regime, judging France's difficulty to be Brittany's opportunity. They tried to persuade the Germans, in the case of a French defeat, to estabish a Breton state. This was promised according to Marshal Hermann Goring at his trial in Nuremberg.”
(The Celtic Revolution: A Study in Anti-imperialism Di Peter Berresford Ellis)

“After their arrival in Germany, Debauvais and Mordrel tried to persuade the Germans to set up, in the event of France's defeat, an independent Breton State and on 20 May 1940 they were both condemned to death in absentia by a military tribunal at Rennes.”
“They met with some success at first, for Goering declared at the Nuremberg trials that a Breton State was to have been created at the end of the War, and Flemish newspapers actually announced the constitution of a free Brittany as the Germans entered Rennes. The armistice between France and Germany in 1940, however, dealt a deadly blow to the hopes of Debauvais and Mordrel because from then on the Germans considered the cause of Breton independence as contrary to their interests and began a policy of co-operation with the authorities of occupied France.”
(Linguistic minorities in Western Europe, by Meic Stephens)

 “Before the Second World War several leading Breton nationalists tried to get Germany to support their cause. Marshal Goering declared during the Nuremberg trials, that a Breton State was to be set up at the end of the war. The day the Germans entered Rennes the Flemish newspapers announced the constitution of a free Brittany. But with the signing of the Franco-German armistice in 1940 the cause of Breton independence became contrary to German interests. A pro-French (Vichy) policy was adopted and the Germans followed the anti-Breton Vichy line. On several occasions the Petain government tried to get Germany to take active measures against the Breton nationalists. In 1941, however, the Breton language and history was admitted as a subject for schools.”
(Wales--a nation again: the nationalist struggle for freedom, by Peter Berresford Ellis)
“In 1940 Kloss received a letter from Rudolf Schlichting in France reporting on the situation in Brittany (letter dated 9 October 1940). Schlichting reported that many Bretons had a positive attitude to the Germans: From a racial point of view there would be no objection to a Germanization of the Breton population. It is evident that we have no interest in promoting the Breton national consciousness, once the separation (Abtrennung) is accomplished. Not a penny should be spent on the promotionof the Breton language. The French language will however be replaced by German. In one generation Brittany will be a predominately German country.This goal is definitely attainable through the schools, the authorities, the army and the press.”
(Linguistics and the Third Reich, by Christopher Hutton)

“Hitler moreover toyed with the idea of at least securing some bases on the French Channel and Atlantic coast, and even of separating former Burgundy from France. At the same time he showed little interest in an independent Brittany, which Breton separatists thought stood a chance in the summer of 1940.”
“Abetz’s proposals were along much the same lines: he not only had no doubts on the need to reincorporate the region which once belonged to the Reich-Flanders, Burgundy, and Alsace-Lorraine-but he even wished to see the future German military frontier moved all the way to the Atlantic and hence the whole of France permanently placed under German ‘protection’. He argued in favour of including the whole country, if possible, in the future German ‘living-space’. Hitler’s deeply rooted mistrust of France would probably have spared this country incorporation on the model of the ‘Germanic’ countries, but not its permanent military, economic, and intellectual sudjection to German hegemony or its perpetual occupation by the Wehrmacht.”
(Germany and the Second World War: Organization and Mobilization in the German Sphere of Power, by Bernhard Kroener, Rolf-Dieter Müller, Hans Umbreit)

"Alsace and Lorraine were placed under the direct administration of the adjacent portions of prewar Germany, and much of northern France and all of Burgundy were to be annexed later. The evidence suggest that some sort of dependent French puppet state, possibly with Brittany detached as a special region aligned with Germany, would make up the remainder, although a portion adjacent to Italy might be allocated to the latter."
(Visions of Victory: The Hopes of Eight World War II Leaders; Gerhard L. Weinberg)

"The efforts of Werner Best, the SS Reich Security Main Office’s emissary to the military occupation in Paris, to redraw the western map according to race came to naught. His ambition to merge the Netherlands, Flanders, and French territory north of the Loire River into the Reich, transform Wallonia and Brittany into protectorates, merge Northern Ireland with the Irish Republic, create a decentralized British federation, and declare independence for the Basques, Catalonians, and Galicians from Spain foundered on the resistance of the military and foreign office, which preferred the existing national states, albeit under German domination."
(German Colonialism: Race, the Holocaust, and Postwar Germany, Volker Langbehn,Mohammad Salama)

“Ein von Best im Herbst 1941 formuliertes Maximalprogramm sah unter anderem vor, das gesamte Gebiet nördlich der Loire - abgesehen von der Bretagne - ins Deutsche Reich einzugliedern.”
(Historische West- und Ostforschung in Zentraleuropa zwischen dem Ersten und dem Zweiten Weltkrieg, by Matthias Middell, Ulrike Sommer)

“Providence has now entrusted the Nazis with the task of bringing back these lands to their Germanic mission. By "these lands" is “meant France up to the Loire-everywhere where, according to Nazi historians, Frankish population had extended. These lands are to be colonised by the Nazi Herrenvolk, the rest of France, inhabited by bastard southern population, will be made into a reservation cultivating agricoltural produce and livestock for the hyper-industrialized Nazi lords.”
(The Central European observer)

"She must join the Axis Powers, and thus save the greater part of her territory. She must intervene in Central Africa and ensure for herself possessions there, which will compensate her for the loss of the territories which she will inevitably have to cede, when the peace treaty is signed, to Germany, Italy and Spain."
"At the same time she must resign herself to the idea of satisfying the territorial demands of Germany, Italy and Spain, both in Europe and in Tunisia. She will be able to compensate
herself by conquests in Central Africa."
"Somehow or other the Americans will get a grip on Martinique; while Britain will not only never dream of giving up Madagascar, but will also certainly do her best to recoup her Far Eastern losses by thrusting towards southern and western Africa, with the object of founding new dominions there."
(Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944)

“As a result of his new position of power, Hitler immediately initiated measures proclaiming a policy of ‘breaking up France’ and ‘eliminating France as a great power’-in other words, a start was made with the implementation of some programmatic goals of the National Socialist regime. It is not possible to say with absolute certainty which of the occupied territories were intended to become German possessions one day, but there seems to be no doubt that the fate of the ‘hereditary enemy’ would have been merely that of a supernumerary. Hitler himself repeatedly voiced his intention of incorporating Burgundy, Alsace-Lorraine, and the coal region around Lille – and, of course, also Belgium and the Netherlands – into the Greater German Reich. And the draft of a ‘provisional peace programme of the Reichsführer SS’ (Himmler) envisaged the future Reich territory as including, along with Poland, Czechoslovakia, Scandinavia, the Netherlands, and Belgium, also north-west France.”
(The Mediterranean, south-east Europe, and north Africa, 1939-1941: by Gerhard Schreiber, Bernd Stegemann, Detlef Vogel)

“There was scarcely any question of her becoming part of the Greater German Reich , once the Germans had de facto annexed Alsace and Lorraine and the two départements in the north been handed over to the military administration in Brussels. Intentions of further expansion had been hinted at, with the drawing of a ‘north-east line’ running from the Lake of Geneva to the mouth of the Somme, and meant roughly to match the earlier western frontier of the Reich. By the end of 1941, however, this cordoning-off was in practice removed. Hitler undoubtedly also had in mind to maintain support bases on the Channel and Atlantic coasts for the future, and to keep France firmly in the state of dependence she had reached through her defeat in 1940.”
(Germany and the Second World War: Organization and Mobilization in the German Sphere of Power, by Bernhard Kroener, Rolf-Dieter Müller, Hans Umbreit)

“And he drew up fantastic memos to "dislocate" France by annexing Burgundy, all of Lorraine, Flanders, and Normandy. The soil and climate in these areas, similar to that of Germany, was “excellent,” Spieser reasoned, and volunteer colonists of "healthy blood" could be settled there as compensation for their efforts to aid the Fatherland.”
(Alsatian autonomist leaders, 1919-1947, by Philip Charles Farwell Bankwitz)

“By the term Limes Nazi theorists referred to far more than Belgium, although there was some difference of opinion as to whether it should apply to the ancient empire of the Franks, the medieval state of Burgundy, or the entire border region between France and Germany. Nazi racial theorists, of course, laid claim to all territories which they believed had a predominantly Nordic character or those they thought should be Germanized in the interests of German security, a conception that could justify indefinite expansion in almost any direction.”
(Hitler’s War Aims, the establishment of the New Order, Norman Rich)

Der Sieg im Westen war für Spieser unzweifelhaft und er würde „so gründlich sein, daß der Führer vor der Frage steht, wie gestalten wir den Westen?"die Franche Comté und die Bourgogne hinaus und umfaßte auch Savoyen, dh die Departements Haute-Savoie und Savoie.
Frankreich habe „durch diesen Krieg, der dem deutschen Volk den Anteil am nötigen Raum zum Leben kurzsichtigerweise verwehren soll, zweifellos selbst den vollen Anspruch auf seinen bisherigen, aus eigener Kraft nicht mehr zu füllenden Raum in Frage gestellt". Die Grenzen, die Spieser im „deutschen Westen" vorschwebten, waren „nicht willkürlich und historische Erinnerung gezogen, aber auch nicht ohne Bedacht auf eine gedeihliche Entwicklung in der Zukunft". Seine Vorstellung von Burgund, das unbedingt zum Reich kommen sollte, reichte über die Franche Comté und die Bourgogne hinaus und umfaßte auch Savoyen, dh die Departements Haute-Savoie und Savoie. Die Rhone sollte bis kurz vor Lyon die neue Reichsgrenze bilden. Lyon selbst, „diese abträgliche Großstadt", wurde nördlich umgangen. Der weitere Grenzverlauf war durch die südlichen und westlichen Ausläufer der Berge von Beaujolais und die sich nördlich anschließenden Westvorsprünge des Charolais markiert „bis an das Flüßchen Arroux, an dem Autun liegt, das deutsche Grenz- und Garnisonsstadt würde".
(Nationalsozialistische Volkstumspolitik im Elsaß, by Lothar Kettenacker)

Dès ce moment, Spieser envisageait l'expansion du Reich au-delà des frontières de 1871-1918, en oubliant les limites linguistiques présentes. Il s'agissait , écrivait-il dans un mémoire non daté ("Une frontière allemande à l'Ouest selon le coeur d'un Alsacien" adressé à Robert Ernst) d’assurer „la sécurité de l’Alsace-Lorraine et donc <…>celle des frontières du Reich à l’Ouest ». Il préconisait d’incluire dans les frontières « de l’Ouest allemand » la Bourgogne historique (incluant la Franche-Comté et la Savoie). Autun serait une ville de garnison allemande, mais il faudrait renoncer à Lyon, « grande cité abjecte ». La frontière se poursuivrait le long de la Côte d’Or et du plateau de Langres, des vallées de la Marne, de l’Aisne et de la Somme, c’est-à-dire dans des régions qui n'avaient jamais appartenu au Saint-Empire, et encore moins à l'aire linguistique germanique. D s'agissait évidemment d'assurer de façon définitive "à 100 km de Paris" la supériorité stratégique du "Reich de mille ans".
« Après la victoire à l'Ouest Spieser, qui affirmait maintenant ouvertement que la France était l'adversaire par excellence de l'Allemagne, alla encore plus loin en suggérant de refouler la France jusqu'au sud de la Loire et de transférer "du sang allemand" non seulement en Bourgogne, dans l'ensemble de la Lorraine et à la Flandre, mais aussi en Normandie. “
(Image de soi, image de l'autre, la France et l'Allemagne en miroir)

« Sa haine de la France subsistait. Toujours persuadé de la proximité de la victoire finale, il affirmait en juillet 1942 son espoir qu'après la guerre, on ne lui laisserait que le territoire au sud de la Loire. Dans le reste du pays, on introduirait des colons allemands tout en germanisant progressivement les «éléments nettement nordiques» de la population. Spieser s'intéressait beaucoup au projet de reconstitution d'une grande Bourgogne autonome mais protégée par le Grand Reich lancé par son ami Jean Thomasset, auteur des Pages bourguignonnes publiées à Bruxelles en 1938. Pour lui, pourtant, la Bourgogne, la Franche-Comté, la Flandre, la Savoie et la Suisse devaient entrer dans un Empire germanique, qui n'excluerait pas une certaine dose de fédéralisme. »
(Hunebourg, un rocher chargé d'histoire)

« Dès leur arrivée les Allemands se sont effectivement hâtés de changer les noms des villes comme Nancy et Verdun en Nanzig et Wirten. Sous « les territoires voisins de l'Alsace », BÛRCKEL vise Epinal, Belfort, Montbéliard et envisage même l'hypothèse d'une « liquidation de la Paix de Westphalie dans tout l'espace (Raum) de l'Europe Centrale » par le rattachement de la Bourgogne et la plus grande partie de la Suisse au Reich et la constitution d'un « Allemanengau », comprenant le sud de l'Alsace, le Sud-Bade, la Suisse et la Bourgogne ! »
(La grande honte, by Georges-Gilbert Nonnenmacher)

« (2) Burckel à Hitler, le 15.6.1940, J. Anneser «Vautours sur la Lorraine», page 15 et suivantes. Dans le cas où Hitler aurait abrogé les dispositions du traité de Westphalie pour toute l'Europe centrale, il avait même revendiqué une autre portion du Nord du Pays de Bade ainsi que l'Alsace du Nord (département du Bas- Rhin) et proposé en outre de rassembler sous l'appellation commune de «Gau alemanique» le reste de l'Alsace, le Sud du pays de Bade, la Bourgogne et une partie de la Suisse. »
(Nazification de la Lorraine mosellane, by Dieter Wolfanger)
« Et afin de ne rien négliger, et d'éviter les erreurs passées, la zone incorporée au Grand Reich était largement étendue. On connaît les intentions du Gauleiter pour la Lorraine annexée Josef Burckel qui, d'accord avec son « Fiihrer », réclamait l'absorption de toute la Meurthe-et-Moselle, de la Meuse avec Verdun (le gisement de minette se continue en partie sous ce département). Pour d'autres raisons que les raisons industrielles, la bienveillance allemande envisagerait d'annexer aussi la Bourgogne et la... Suisse alémanique. Ces vues étaient si bien orthodoxes que Biïrckel était nommé tyran de la Lorraine par son Fiihrer, dès le 8 août 1940. L'annexion comblait de joie l'industrie allemande. »
(Bulletin, Académie lorraine des sciences)
«Jules Annéser remarque la même tendance annexionniste, avant même la conclusion de l'armistice, dans une longue lettre que Josef Bûrckel, « Gauleiter » de la Sarre-Palatinat, adresse à Hitler le 15 juin 1940. Bûrckel préconise notamment la liquidation de la paix de Westphalie par l'annexion de « La Lorraine (y compris les pays limitrophes actuellement encore français) », première allusion, pense Annéser, à l'annexion du Bassin de Briey et de Nancy. De plus il faudrait également rattacher au Reich « l'ensemble de l'Alsace... et les territoires voisins », sans doute la région d'Epinal, Belfort et Montbéliard, indique Annéser. Enfin la Bourgogne serait annexée pour former avec le Sud de l'Alsace et du pays de Bade, ainsi que la Suisse, le « Alemannengau » qui serait également une unité économique » (1). De son côté, M. Henri Michel note que le tracé de cette zone interdite est « peut-être à rapprocher d'études de géopolitique et de déclarations de Hitler, avant la guerre, sur les frontières à l'Ouest du Reich allemand d'avant les traités de Westphalie. »
(Les Ardennes sous la botte allemande: 1940-1944, by Pierre Aubert)

« Dans un ouvrage publié peu après la guerre, Jules Annéser remarque la même tendance annexionniste, avant même la conclusion de l'armistice, dans une longue lettre que Josef Bûrckel, « Gauleiter » de la Sarre-Palatinat, adresse à Hitler le 15 juin 1940. Bûrckel préconise notamment la liquidation de la paix de Westphalie par l'annexion de « La Lorraine (y compris les pays limitrophes actuellement encore français) », première allusion, pense Annéser, à l'annexion du Bassin de Briey et de Nancy. De plus il faudrait également rattacher au Reich « l'ensemble de l'Alsace... et les territoires voisins », sans doute la région d'Epinal, Belfort et Montbéliard, indique Annéser. Enfin la Bourgogne serait annexée pour former avec le Sud de l'Alsace et du pays de Bade, ainsi que la Suisse, le « Alemannengau » qui serait également une unité économique » (1). De son côté, M. Henri Michel note que le tracé de cette zone interdite est « peut-être à rapprocher d'études de géopolitique et de déclarations de Hitler, avant la guerre, sur les frontières à l'Ouest du Reich allemand d'avant les traités de Westphalie... Ainsi le Pr Banse (professeur de sciences militaires à l'université de Brunswick) préconisait comme frontière militaire occidentale de l'Allemagne une ligne correspondant à la frontière du Saint Empire romain germanique dont le tracé était très voisin de celui de la deuxième zone « interdite » ou « réservée » (2). Il est même d'ailleurs arrivé à Hitler, pendant la guerre, de préciser ses intentions d'annexions à ses interlocuteurs français. Il déclare ainsi à l'amiral Darlan, alors vice- président du Conseil, lors de la conférence de Berchtesgaden du 11 mai 1941 : «' Si je n'ai pas confiance dans la France, je garderai à titre définitif les régions qualifiées aujourd'hui d'interdites, les ports de la Manche, le Nord, le Pas-de-Calais et, en plus, toute une bande de terre à la frontière belge, une partie de la Meuse, du département de Meurthe-et-Moselle, sans parler naturellement des trois départements constituant l'Alsace- Lorraine... » »
(L'"Ostland" en France durant la seconde guerre mondiale, by Jacques Mièvre)

 „Für erstrebenswerter hielt er es allerdings, „wenn der Sieg im Westen seine Krönung fände durch Wiedergewinnung der gesamten ehemals zum Deutschen Reiche gehörenden Gebiete (. . .) Hieraus ergäbe sich für Lothringen eine Verlagerung der deutschen Grenze nach Westen auf die Höhen der linken Maas- bzw. Moselseite, so daß im Norden Verdun und im Südwesten Toul und Nancy zum Deutschen Reich kämen. Dies entspräche einer großgermanischen Lösung; gleichzeitig wäre der Vertrag von 1552 wieder wettgemacht."80 In jenem Brief an Hitler vom 15. Juni 1940, in dem er sich als Reichskommissar für Lothringen anbot, unterbreitete er gleichzeitig den Vorschlag, den aus Lothringen und der Saarpfalz neu zu bildenden Reichsgau durch Teile Badens (Mannheim, Heidelberg, Schwetzingen) sowie durch das sogenannte Krumme Elsaß (Weißenburg, Hagenau, Zabern) zu vergrößern. Für den Fall, daß Hitler die Aufhebung der Bestimmungen des Westfälischen Friedens in ganz Mitteleuropa beschließen sollte, erhob er sogar Ansprüche auf einen weiteren Teil Nordbadens sowie das nördliche Elsaß (Departement Bas- Rhin) und schlug vor, den Rest des Elsasses und Südbaden mit Burgund und einem Teil der Schweiz (!) unter der Bezeichnung Alemannengau zusammenzufassen. Hitler vermied es jedoch, sofort territoriale Ansprüche anzumelden, und zog es vor, diese bis zu einer künftigen Friedensregelung zurückzustellen. So setzte der Waffenstillstand vom 22. Juni 1940 nur fest, daß das Reich in Nordfrankreich - und das galt auch für Elsaß-Lothringen - die Rechte einer Besatzungsmacht ausüben werde. Für Bürckel im Moseldepartement und den badischen Gauleiter Robert Wagner, den Hitler zum Chef der Zivilverwaltung im Elsaß ernannt hatte, gab es aber einen eindeutigen Auftrag: „Elsaß und Lothringen sollen, obwohl die staatsrechtliche Einverleibung noch nicht stattgefunden hat, so behandelt werden, als ob sie bereits stattgefunden hätte."81 Als Hitler am 7. Dezember 1940 anordnete, den Gau Saarpfalz der NSDAP in Gau Westmark der NSDAP umzubenennen, war von Lothringen offiziell nicht die Rede.82 Aber sein Gauleiter hatte bereits am 30. November 1940 in einer Rede im Wartburgsaal in Saarbrücken keinen Hehl daraus gemacht, daß man fest entschlossen war, Lothringen in Zukunft als einen unverzichtbaren Bestandteil des Gaues Westmark zu betrachten.“
(Die Pfalz unterm Hakenkreuz: eine deutsche Provinz während der nationalsozialistischen Terrorherrschaft, by Gerhard Nestler, Hannes Ziegler)

Le 15 juin, au moment où le 20e corps français abandonnait la Trouée de la Sarre, Bürckel soumit à Hitler son plan d'annexion et de reconstruction des territoires alsaciens-lorrains en vue de stabiliser définitivement leurs entités ethniques et économiques, d'éviter l'éternel ballottement entre la France et l'Allemagne et détruire les stipulations du traité de Westphalie (11). On pouvait reconstituer le Reichsland de 1871 en le transformant en un Gau comme on avait formé de l'Autriche le Gau Ostmark ou de préférence, rattacher le département de la Moselle au Gau Saarpfalz pour former le Gau SaarpfalzLothringen et l'Alsace au Gau Baden pour former le Gau Oberrhein. Toutefois les arrondissements de Wissembourg, Haguenau et de Saverne (au moins une partie du dernier arrondissement, s'appelant l'Alsace tordue ou Krummes Elsass), qui avaient des relations très étroites d'ordre racial, économique et géographique, devaient être réunis au Gau Saar-Pfalz-Lothringen, de même les territoires de Bade septentrionale avec Mannheim, Heidelberg et Schwetzingen à l'est du Rhin et à l'ouest les pays limitrophes du département de la Moselle mais encore français (c'est-à-dire les régions de Briey, Nancy, Toul et Verdun). Par contre l'Alsace, moins les trois arrondissements de Wissembourg, Haguenau et Saverne, le sud du pays de Bade et des territoires voisins (c'est-à-dire les régions d'Epinal, Belfort, Montbéliard, la Bourgogne et une partie de la Suisse alémanique) pourraient former l'Alemannengau, le Gau des Alamans. Dans le Gau Saar-Pfalz-Lothringen trois villes étaient susceptibles de jouer un rôle administratif, économique et culturel : Mannheim, Sarrebruck et Nancy, mais Sarrebruck deviendrait la capitale politique du Gau. Pour l'Alemannengau, les rôles prédominants seraient joués par Bâle et Strasbourg, la dernière ville étant la capitale politique et la grande porte du Reich vers l'ouest. Au point de vue administratif chacun des Gauleiter, comme ce fut son cas en Autriche, devrait devenir commissaire du Reich (Reichskommissar), afin de disposer des pouvoirs les plus étendus sur son territoire, administré par des préfets ou Regierungsprdsidenten à Mannheim, Sarrebruck et Nancy dans le Gau Saar-Pfalz-Lothringen. Bürckel était d'avis qu'il était facile de reconquérir des Lorrains et Alsaciens, parlant encore l'allemand, à l'entité ethnique primitive, le Volkstum, et admettait que cela était plus difficile pour ceux parlant le français, mais il était convaincu de la réussite de cette reconstruction ethnique étant donné que les Lorrains et les Alsaciens formaient encore une population foncièrement saine, alors que celle du reste de la France était enjuivée, dégénérée et intérieurement malade.
(La drôle de guerre en Moselle: 10 mai au 4 juillet 1940, by Henri Hiegel)

« Bûrckel, qui occupait par ailleurs les fonctions de commissaire de l'Empire en Sarre-Palatinat (Reichskommissar fur die Saarpfalz) , proposa, le 15 juin 1940, à Hitler de ne pas rétablir l'unité administrative de l'Alsace-Lorraine afin d'en faciliter la germanisation (1). Bûrckel suggérait de réunir séparément l'Alsace et la Lorraine aux provinces allemandes voisines et notamment de constituer une Marche de l'Ouest (Westmark) regroupant la Sarre, la Lorraine et le Palatinat (2) . La solution préconisée par Bûrckel présentait de nombreux avantages et, dès la fin juin, il fut admis que la Lorraine et l'Alsace ne feraient pas partie de la même circonscription administrative. Bûrckel envisageait également de remodeler les limites entre l'Alsace et la Lorraine en rattachant à la Lorraine les arrondissements de Wissembourg, Saverne et Haguenau, ou tout au moins, l'Alsace bossue (Krummes Elsass) , c'est-à-dire les cantons de Sarre-Union, Drulingen et la Petite-Pierre. Toutefois, l'opposition de Wagner, son homologue pour l'Alsace, empêcha ce projet d'aboutir. Après l'armistice, une série de mesures furent immédiatement prises afin de réaliser la réunion de fait, de l'Alsace-Lorraine à l'Allemagne. Il n'y avait cependant aucune décision officielle d'annexion. C'est pourquoi, le 3 septembre 1940, la délégation du gouvernement de Vichy auprès de la Commission d'armistice ne put que protester contre "Vanne.XA.on dO.QOAJie.Ql' de ce territoire. Le processus d'annexion n'en était pas moins réel. A l'exception de Metz, Vionville et Gravelotte, les noms de toutes les localités furent germanisés. La francophobie était même poussée au point de substituer de nouveaux toponymes allemands aux noms germaniques calqués sur les noms français antérieurs (3) . »
(Histoire administrative de la Lorraine, by Jean-Louis Masson)

“Himmler recognised the Norwegians, the Dutch, the Swedes and the Flemings as branches of the Germanic race; Hitler was interested in Burgundy, the homeland of the fifth-century Burgundians, and in Normandy, the land of the Vikings. As for France in general, economic necessity required her to be granted special treatment for the time being.”
(la seconde guerre mondiale, by Henri Michel)

“We have never written off Alsace and Lorraine; Dijon was a Burgundian city and Lyons was the starting point for the southward march of the Goths. We cannot stop Nice, Corsica and the Italian alpine areas going to our ally. If the French challenge us, there should be Basque, Breton and Burgundian States in France. What goes for the West goes also for the East and Southeast.”
(Secret conversations with Hitler: the two newly-discovered 1931 interviews, by Richard Breiting, Adolf Hitler)

“As a statement of his offensive strategy toward his neighbors, Hitler asserted, "State boundaries are made by man and changed by man."219 Thus, force is the handmaiden of Realpolitik and the midwife of change: We must clearly recognize the fact that the recovery of the lost territories is not through solemn appeals to the Lord or through pious hopes in a League of Nations, but only by force of arms.220 According to Von Ribbentrop, when asked by Bertrand de Jouvenel in 1936 if he wished to offer a rectification to these harsh words toward France, the Fiihrer responded, "My rectification, I will write it in the great Book of History. Georges-Anquetil, the newspaper Excelsior of March 13, 1938, reproduced a map of German territorial claims which had allegedly been posted in German schools since 1935.222 Figuring in the territories to be joined to "Greater Germany" by the Anschluss were Alsace and Lorraine. This mirrored the belief of the Vatican, expressed by the Papal Nuncio Bor- gongini Duca to Cardinal Maglione on June 22, 1940, that among the conditions the Axis would impose on the Allies as a condition for peace would be, among other territorial transfers, the return of Alsace-Lorraine to Germany and of Corsica to Italy.223 According to Rita Thalmann, in 1940 the German government was considering a proposal to reduce French territory to the boundaries of the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648.224 General Jodl called it "restitution of territories stolen for four hundred years from the German people."225 In October 1940 Hitler is reported to have said that Germany would be satisfied with Alsace-Lorraine, the Bassin de Briex, and a corridor south of Belfort.226 Yet, according to Thalmann, in his Propos de Table (1941-1944), Hitler included the ancient kingdom of Bourgogne as well.227 However, other than these territorial aspirations, as Dr. Werner Best (himself close to these minority groups) claimed as early as 1940, there was no real interest in supporting "volkisch or national" forces in France.228 In July 1940 world press attention focused on Brittany-a nonculturally Germanic region of France which had not publicly figured in any of Hitler's previous grievances against France. The New York Times of July 26, 1940, reported that Berlin had recognized Brittany as an autonomous unit, including Breton desires to form an independent state.229 The next day, however, the Times reported that the German Foreign Office denied the report of the German News Agency DNB that Germany had given such recognition to Brittany.”
(Hills of conflict: Basque nationalism in France, by James E. Jacob)

« Les villes de la Comté prendraient les noms des villes abandonnées du Sûd-Tirol : Besançon deviendrait Bozen, Chàlons Meran, Dôle Brixen, Pontarlier Bruneck et Auxonne Sterzing. Le transfert des populations devrait être achevé au printemps 1941 en passant par la Suisse via Innsbruck, Baie ou par ChiassoC'). A la suite de cet entretien plusieurs responsables sud-tyroliens effectuent du 19 au 23 juin 1940 un voyage de reconnaissance sur place qui les mène à Belfort, Montbéliard, Dole et Dijon. On y discute notamment de la nouvelle frontière occidentale du Reich qui pourrait emprunter une ligne Lamarche-sur-Saône-Auxonne- Villers- Rotin - Damparis-Tavaux-Asnans, à moins que le département de la Côte-d'Or ne soit annexé lui aussi. Besançon serait désignée pour devenir la capitale du territoire, qui cependant est trop vaste pour être complètement peuplé par les Sud-Tyroliens. Il est vrai qu'on pourra enfin y attribuer des exploitations agricoles aux fils cadets qui au pays ne pouvaient s'établir à leur compte. A son retour le groupe d'études soumet à Himmler deux projets pour la frontière occidentale du nouveau Sud-Tyrol jurassien, Himmler y ajoute encore deux autres tracés pour tout soumettre à Hitler lors d'une prochaine audience. »
(Commentaire. L’Europe et la France)

„Als weitere Vorgangsweise kündigte Himmler an, daß er den Plan der geschlossenen Siedlung in den nächsten Tagen Hitler vortragen werde; sobald dessen endgültige Entscheidung vorläge, würde dann die weitere Abwanderung aus Südtirol eingestellt, und die Umsiedlung bis zum Frühjahr 1941 dorf- und städteweise durchgeführt werden, wenn es noch im Herbst zum Friedensschluß käme. Der Transport der Umsiedler sollte dann über die Schweiz auf dem Weg über Innsbruck-Basel, aber auch über die Strecke Chiasso-Domodossola erfolgen. Dann verabschiedete Himmler, der von Wolff, Greifelt und Kulemann begleitet war, die drei für die Besichtigungsreise ausersehenen Südtiroler P. Hof er, Kukla und Tinzl und überließ es Greifelt, sie mit den Grundzügen der Umsiedlungsplanung in das geschlossene Siedlungsgebiet entsprechend seiner Denkschrift vom 10. Juli bekannt zu machen. (155) Die Reise nach Burgund und die dortige Besichtigung des vorgesehenen Siedlungsgebietes, an der neben P. Hof er, Kukla und Tinzl auch Creutz und Meyer vom RKFDV sowie Kulemann von der DUT teilnahmen, dauerte vom 19. bis 23. Juli 1940 und führte von Belfort über Montbeliard und Dole nach Dijon. Die Besprechung mit dem dortigen Militärkommandanten ergab, "dass die aus Burgund Evakuierten nur insoweit in das besetzte Gebiet zurückgelassen werden, als sie ihren Wohnsitz westlich der Linie: La Marche sur Saöne - 1 Km westlich Auxonne- Villers Bottin - Damparis - Tavaux - Asnan - Le Essards haben, während die Evakuierten, die ihren Wohnsitz östlich dieser Linie haben, nicht in ihren Wohnort zurückgelassen werden. Diese Massnahme des OKW lässt den Schluss zu, dass die genannte Linie als zukünftige Reichsgrenze in Aussicht genommen sein kann. Sollte die Côte d'Or in die neue Reichsgrenze einbezogen werden, so hielt es General Zorn für richtig, dass die Grenze nicht auf dem Gebirgskamn, sondern so gezogen wird, dass die westlichen Hänge der Côte d'Or in die Reichsgrenze einbezogen werden. "Es wurde das Siedlungsland in seiner Wirtschaftsstruktur für gut eingeschätzt, Besancon als am besten für die Hauptstadt geeignet befunden. Es wurde anerkannt, daß das Land nicht vollständig von den Südtirolern werde besiedelt werden können, aber man hielt es für sicher, daß "ein weiterer Bedarf an Höfen durch die Söhne der jetzigen Hofbesitzer entstehen" werde, "die infolge des Landmangels in Südtirol bisher nicht die Möglichkeit hatten, einen selbständigen Hof zu haben.“
„…auch deren Namen erhalten, Besancon würde Bozen, Charlons sollte Meran, Dole könnte Brixen, Pontarlier Bruneck und Auxonne Sterzing werden.“
(Umsiedlung Südtirol, 1939-1940, by Karl Stuhlpfarrer)

“On 10 July 1940 Heinrich Himmler travelled to Burgundy for a tour of inspection. His task was to determine how the territory could be Germanized through settlement of German peasant families. According to documents presented at the end of December 1940, it would take one million Germans to fulfil the settlement needs of nine French departements.”
(Germany: The Long Road West, by Heinrich August Winkler)

„Am 10. Juli 1940 brach Heinrich Himmler zu einer Besichtigungsfahrt nach Burgund auf: Es galt die Frage zu prüfen, wie das Gebiet durch Ansiedlung deutscher Bauernfamilien germanisiert werden konnte. Ende Dezember 1940 lag ein Gutachten vor, das den Siedlerbedarf für neun französische Departements auf eine Million Menschen bezifferte. Die Eindeutschung Burgunds war Teil jener «großgermanischen Politik», die Hitler im Frühjahr 1940 proklamierte.“
(Der lange Weg nach Westen, by Heinrich August Winkler)

„Warum Mitte August 1940 die Umsiedlung der Südtiroler verschoben wurde, ist nicht bekannt. Es ist aber zu vermuten, daß im Kontext des kurz zuvor beschlossenen Krieges gegen die UdSSR keine größere Konfrontation mit Frankreich gesucht wurde. Dafür spricht auch die Tatsache, daß die Besiedlungsplanungen für Burgund noch Ende 1940 konkretisiert wurden. In einem Gutachten wurde zu diesem Zeitpunkt der Siedlerbedarf für neun französische Departements erarbeitet. Demnach wären rund 2,7 Millionen ha (=27 000 qkm) landwirtschaftliche Nutzfläche in Frankreich zu besiedeln gewesen. Die durchschnittliche Hofgröße sollte 1 5 ha betragen, was einen Siedlerbedarf von 1 70 000 Bauernfamilien mit durchschnittlich sechs Personen, rund einer Million Menschen, bedeutet hätte. Ebenso spricht der Vorschlag des Staatssekretärs im RMdl, Wilhelm Stuckart, für die zukünftige Grenzziehung zwischen Frankreich und Deutschland vom Juni 1940 für die ernsthafte Absicht, Burgund ein-zubeziehen. Derartige Gerüchte kursierten auch in der Bevölkerung, die sich in diesem Falle gegen eine Aussiedlung sträubte. Wenn auch nicht offen über die Germanisierung gesprochen wurde, deuteten doch einige Veröffentlichungen auf dieses Vorhaben hin.“
„Zur „Eindeutschung" waren die Departements Jura, Doubs, Haute Saone, Cote d'or, Haute Marone, Vosges, Meurthe et Moselle, Meuse und Belfort vorgesehen. Nach: Die Landwirtschaftliche Neuordnung im Großdeutschen Raum. Teil I, Der Aufbau der neuen Gebiete im Osten und Westen, Berlin [Ende 1940]. Zu den Überlegungen, daß Frankreich „das eigentliche Kolonialland sei", Vgl. Kettenacker Volkstumspolitik, S. 105-109 und S. 309-310, Anm. 77-98.“
("Rasse und Raum": Agrarpolitik, Sozial- und Raumplanung im NS-Staat, by Uwe Mai)

Paris: “Germanic City" In his new book The Struggle for Power, Herr Alfred Rosenberg writes: “That magnificent old Paris, where, in the middle ages Flemish was spoken more than French, was as GermanoGothic as Normandy or Frisia, until this city, too, was inundated by Jews, by Southern bastards, Romans, etc., and lost her character just as ancient Rome had done. It is only in Brittany and Normandy that France still possesses sources of Nordic strength.” —“L'E're Nouvelle.”
(World Review)

The " Teutonic " French Volkischer Beobachter (10.9.40) : " France would never have become what it was without the influx of German tribes : Goths, Alemans, Burgundians, Normans, etc. The French provinces in which German blood predominates have always been those that are, in every respect, most valuable. The wars of the Albigenses and the Huguenots and the French Revolution could not altogether banish these racial values and traits of the German character from French soil and from the French people .... Every German soldier who has been in France is at once confronted with so much that is akin to himself, that he recognises as German, that he cannot help asking himself : What is really French and what is German ? " German-controlled Radio-Brussels, 2.5.41 : " The Calais district has a Netherlands aspect. . . . The Artois district has an essentially Teutonic population. French Flanders is the ethnical hinterland of the Netherlands. The race is of Teutonic descent."
(Miscellaneous publications, Great Britain, Ministry of Information)
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AlvynSharp Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2013
This scenario is unrealistic. I highly doubt that the Germans would try to hold all of Europe like that or invade America.

Here is a more likely German victory map of Europe:…
Totentanz0 Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2013
Trust me, you are not the first one to point it out! This map is not from an alternate-history scenario. It’s just a somewhat maximalist collection of Nazi aims. It’s more cumulative than speculative…
I knew that site. I can’t read Finnish so I just basically looked at the maps. Their interactive map is delightful. I expecially appreciated the enlarged Ostland and the Gotenland. I have to say that I’d personally prefer the Somme-Geneva line as the new border between France and Germany. And in case of Italian capitulation, which I suppose in this case, I’m usually expecting to see the annexation of OZAV & OZAK. I also believe that the correct new German name for Sevastopol should be TheodErichshafen and not TheodOrichshafen, Theoderic the Great being called Theoderich der Große in German.
AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I love the details you uncover and then put onto these maps. I really wish someone could compile all of the Nazi's plans and such like you post and make a huge reference book about it.

I don't particularly care about the Nazi's, but the things they did, the reasons why, and all their plans have and always will intrigue me until I read it all :o
Totentanz0 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013
I would buy that book!
Todyo1798 Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I think your next project for this series (if you're looking for one that is) could be the Nazi's "successfully" implenting the Atlantropa Project.
Totentanz0 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013
AFAIK the project Atlantropa wasn’t particularly popular among the Nazis (apart from “The Man in the High Castle” ones).
Not to mention that for me it would take ten times as long to get to the Adriatic Sea!
Todyo1798 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
True, but it does suit National Socialism very well. It's so ridiculous and the benefits are miniscule compared to the cost of implementing it, plus the chances of it actually working are variable to say the least.

Suits the Nazi's down to the ground!
Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013
I dislike the Nazis and hate their crimes, but I think I can not agree that you say the german engineers, scientists and architects of that time were dumb or stupid.

Even the Nazis overtook the society and the country, the Germans were since the 19th century of the most creative and intelligent people Europe had, and the date 1933, didnīt make idiots from all of them.

And itīs sad, that most people donīt know why the Germans followed Hitler, it was not because of racism, but because of all the crisis and the chaos caused by the french dictate of versailles after the first world war.
Todyo1798 Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I never said German engineers, scientists or architects were dumb or stupid.

I said the Nazi's (as in the German political and military leadership from 1939-45) were dumb or stupid.

Yes, I realise there's a difference, I've been posting historical stuff on this site long enough that you should know I can differentiate between Germans as a whole from 1933-45, and members of the National Socialist German Workers Party.
Arminius1871 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2013
Ok sounded to me like you think they all were dumb, because to be member of the Nazi party did not automatically mean you are an evil racist, many people had to be member, to get higehr positions or just to work on, some people became even members without knowing it, for example many soldiers in the war didnīt even know, that they were made members in the homeland.

But I see I did you missunderstand :)
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